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but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of washington, but he didn't mean it. and he doesn't believe it. he thinks, and i think rightly thinks, that the political onus will be on the republicans. the president said we aren't a deadbeat nation, which is one of many great quotes in that press conference. >> i like that word, deadbeat. >> we aren't a deadbeat nation, and he said the republicans will turn us into a deadbeat nation if they do what they're threatening -- >> if somebody else objects to the question, if there's a different answer, i'll accept it. did the democrats ever play the game of not paying the bills of the united states government as
but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of...
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ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with that 2006 vote. there is one very big difference between now and 2006. 2006 there wasn't this kind of big protracted battle over the debt ceiling at all. it wasn't a big issue. i was covering politics for nbc at the time. the debt ceiling increase was seen as a procedure and a very partisan vote then but not something you were reporting on for weeks and months like we have in 2011 then and now on the debt ceiling debate and, of course, what happened in 2011 was a loss to the nation's credit rating. there's big differences between
ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with...
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debt ceiling as a leverage point to get the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they're going to try it. how far we'll go, i have no idea. if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you want to pay your debt. and that's what this is. they're not running up anything new. >> former senator chuck hagel, the man nominated to be the next secretary of defense picked up two key voices of support, chuck schumer and barbara boxer. two prominent democrats. they spoke separately with hagel to discuss the record. hagel eased their concerns after spelling out where he stands on issues ranging from iran and israel. to the treatment of gays in the military. there will be plenty of pageantry during president obama's inauguration on monday. the official swearing in will have taken place the day before. you see the constitution requires a president's term to start on january 20th which falls on a sunday this year. john roberts will administer the oath of offi
debt ceiling as a leverage point to get the president to agree to the cuts? >> i think that would be a grave mistake. i don't think that would solve anything. i know they're going to try it. how far we'll go, i have no idea. if you're a real conservative, really honest conservative without hypocrisy, you want to pay your debt. and that's what this is. they're not running up anything new. >> former senator chuck hagel, the man nominated to be the next secretary of defense picked up...
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and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is not the hilda fight, we don't want to be responsible for people not getting their social security checks. we don't want to be blamed for it. >> joining me now are ryan grim, washington bureau chief for "huffington post," ryan, so really, they on the debt ceiling, if all the democrats voted to raise it they would only need 18 republican votes to raise it. is that the kind of thing we're going to see happen? >> i mean, you're either going to see that or a complete and total cave. but i don't think you will see a complete and total one, because you have the tea party still hanging aroun
and let's take it to them on the debt ceiling. that is what we'll do on the debt limit. that is where we'll fight the battle. that is where we're take it to obama, that is where we'll make him pay and get the spending cuts. remember that? that is where we're at. we're now at the debt limit. and guess what? this is not the time to fight this battle. we can't win anything on the debt limit. and when we get to march and the continuing resolution -- you know what, what will be said then? this is...
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no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. ♪ doing it with a cold, just not going to happen. vicks dayquil -- powerful non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. ♪ no matter what city you're playing t
no debt ceiling. one of those congressmen will join me on the other side of this break. >> congress is more removed from this issue than mayors are. congress people don't get called in the middle of the night when a police officer has been shot. mayors do. >> one of those mayors, l.a.'s antonio villaraigosa coming up in the next hour. keep it here. this is msnbc, the place for politics and cool music picked out by producers in new york city. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record...
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the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to debate how we're going to spend in the future. if you want to have a larger conversation about spending, then we can have a larger conversation about spending. the moment we confuse them is when we start damaging the long term prospects of where this country can be economically. >> but nia, in fairness, there have been, at least in this area, some prominent republicans that are starting to point out that this is a little too far up here. senator murkowski says if you incur an obligation, you have the responsibility to pay for that. and th
the debt ceiling is not there now? >> even if you don't want to listen to the president, like, listen to fitch and moodies and all the rating agencies who say this is not an economic issue. this is a political crisis that the united states is going through right now. and the thing about this, rev, is that this is a policy without a constituency. who backs this? who backs the idea to say basically, we're going to spend and spend and spend. and when the bills come up, we're not going to...
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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills is irresponsible. it is absurd. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they had better choose quickly because time is running short. >> house republicans continued to threaten to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. house republican conference chairwoman kathy rogers told "political" i think it is possible we would shut down the government to make sure that president obama understands that we're serious. well, i guess that would do it. we always talk
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up. but to even entertain the idea of this happening, of...
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that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan policy center. good luck trying to explain this to conservative talk radio show host, rush limbaugh. >> i think it's a debt limit as your monthly credit card limit. you can't go over it on your credit card. and the united states government can't spend more than what its credit limit is or its debt limit. now ali velshi at cnn says that has no relation to spending. >> that's right, rush, the debt ceiling was create sod the congress wouldn't constantly need to authorize congress to borrow to raise more money. it doesn't au
that's the debt ceiling. keep it in mind, the treasury does not make decisions about how the money is spent. they're simply empowered in this case to borrow money and write the checks to pay the bills incurred by your democratically elected congress. today the debt ceiling is $16.3 trillion which is less than our debt. the treasury can use extraordinary measures to raise an extra $200 billion. those extra funds will only last until about mid february or early march according to the bipartisan...
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ceiling conversation, it's important to remember, this is not solving the debate over whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. this is putting off the debate of whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. >> we're told in response to this report coming out of the white house, one white house official said it is a terrible way to run the country. when asked if the president would veto a short-term extension, the official would not say yes or no, but reiing rated the president's opposition to creating a series of self-imposed crisis. that from kristen welker at the white house. this is putting the onus off the back of the house republicans. this is a big result coming out of they are retreat in williamsburg where paul ryan and others were basically indicating that they can't win this battle. >> the president's press conference, the ball in your court press conference, this is the republicans hitting the ball back over the met saying it's now in your court. we should see. can i make one other quick note? i want a whole andrea mitchell reports on old andrea mitchell footage of preside
ceiling conversation, it's important to remember, this is not solving the debate over whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. this is putting off the debate of whether the debt ceiling should be a debate. >> we're told in response to this report coming out of the white house, one white house official said it is a terrible way to run the country. when asked if the president would veto a short-term extension, the official would not say yes or no, but reiing rated the president's...
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pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're seeing with the debt kreeling in they don't have the power and maybe taking this advice from the conservative columnist? >> it's rare i agree with charles krauthammer but don't fight battles you can't win and don't go to the brink to be perceived as pulling back and therefore losing. this is not a fight they can win. it's certainly one they can lose and i think, though, just doing this three months, we are not done with this. if you're a crisis junkie, we are in the position of not only did the fiscal cliff not end this, we'll talk about this, and talking about it and talking about it and whether there's a coheren
pass the debt ceiling and talk about spending cuts if that's what you want to talk about. >> i want to read what "the washington post" conservative columnist had to say about the republican strategy. here's what he said. he wrote, obama's post-election arrogance and intransigence can put you in a fighting mood. i sympathize. this is what he's telling the republicans but i'm tending toward the realist view. don't force the issue when you don't have the power s. that what we're...
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raising the debt ceiling. here is what the anointed one said in 2006, said leadership means the buck stops here, washington is shifting burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and our grandchildren. er america has a debt, and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better, i, therefore, intend to oppose the efforts to increase american's debt limit so he is doing what he said shouldn't be done. but in doing so is demonstrating his morale superiority. the second thing we saw today is on full display he said republicans were sus spishus about social security and government support for the elderly and spending money on medical research, then, about programs aimed at making sure kids in poverty are getting enough to eat. now this, snot only deeply dishonest it's a gross distorgs. a lecture coming from a man responsible for a massive increase in poverty during his presidency. a third thing we saw is how deeply misunderstood his facts are. saying his plan would claim $4 trillion next decade but
raising the debt ceiling. here is what the anointed one said in 2006, said leadership means the buck stops here, washington is shifting burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and our grandchildren. er america has a debt, and a failure of leadership. americans deserve better, i, therefore, intend to oppose the efforts to increase american's debt limit so he is doing what he said shouldn't be done. but in doing so is demonstrating his morale superiority. the second thing we...
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limit now let me just give you a little bit of a refresher on the debt ceilings the debt ceiling has actually been raised eleven times since two thousand and one it usually is raised without very much has it taken a problem but we have seen a lot more pushback with the debt ceiling in recent years ever since president obama took office now this. package that the g.o.p. is promising will raise the federal debt limit for just a temporary period for just about three months but there's a stipulation in the simulation is that they want the senate to come upon a budget agreement and a budget agreement hasn't actually been agreed upon for four years so they want the senate and the house to come together to each propose a budget for the upcoming year and then to come up with a compromise with the final proposal now obviously democrats are really pushing back on this issue saying that first of all that three month extension of the debt ceiling is certainly not enough i mean we've already. seen so much happened in this past year really the debt ceiling was supposed to be we were supposed to go
limit now let me just give you a little bit of a refresher on the debt ceilings the debt ceiling has actually been raised eleven times since two thousand and one it usually is raised without very much has it taken a problem but we have seen a lot more pushback with the debt ceiling in recent years ever since president obama took office now this. package that the g.o.p. is promising will raise the federal debt limit for just a temporary period for just about three months but there's a...
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let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the best way to do that is the mcconnell act. >> we may have just made news. >>> last week, general colin powell was here worried about a dark vein of intolerance in republican parties in some quarters. you are part of a stream of new faces in the republican party, minority faces and voices in the party that seem to stand against that. how did you respond to it? >> well, i saw that interview. i respect general powell a great deal. i was disappointed with those comments. i think he was buying into some of the partisan attacks. if you look at this last election, f
let us raise the debt ceiling. no strings attached. and if the president can raise it as he should be able to and if congress wants to reject it 2/3. the mcconnell proposal is a good republican proposal. i hope you support it. that's the way to go. >> let me ask you a question. a bill that says regardless of what happens the debt ceiling, that the united states will never default on the debt. would you support that or not? >> i support the concept. i'd have to look at the bill. the...
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president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the speaker. what is your main problem with him? >> i have no personal problems. i keep hearing that. he himself said i carrying no grudges. we've talked several times. the point is to let him know with le stand up to leadership and hold him account annual. i think that's important to know. that really is on both sides of the aisle. if you go back there were people that challenged the leadership, too. i think that's a good thing. you have new members of congress willing to stand up and saying let's rethink this. let's put america first, not necessarily party politics. i fired the first volley that you would
president obama yet on his news conference said raising the debt ceiling will not raise our debt ceiling. all we've raised the debt, we have to may more interest. that in it/will increase the spending. we have a spending problem in this country. that's what we need to address. >> what is your biggest bone of content with john boehner? you've been very public about the fact that you don't think his leadership is something you wanted over this new congress, you didn't vote for him to be the...
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seriously, republicans were not elected to raise the debt ceiling and bring us into more debt and steal from our kids. where is the moral imperative that somebody, some party in in country is going to stand up and say enough is enough and we've got to live within our means and stop borrowing 46 cents of every dollar? where is that party? >> i think that they are there. they don't have a lot of-- a spokesperson yet. it's going to take some time. so, the thing is, this is the amazing thing. >> sean: capitulate in the meantime? >> i'm not saying that, but i think there is a responsibility for washington to say, okay, look, what are the things we can do within these parameters to make sure we don't wreck the economy. the fitch point, what obama is realizing, what fitch is saying could actually happen and smart preemptively to blame the republicans. >> sean: isn't it to be party, and balanced budget and greater freedom and to hell with the political consequences, take a stand? >> the republicans caved on the tax, yes, they did. they lost, they caved. >> sean: caved. >> and i don't like the w
seriously, republicans were not elected to raise the debt ceiling and bring us into more debt and steal from our kids. where is the moral imperative that somebody, some party in in country is going to stand up and say enough is enough and we've got to live within our means and stop borrowing 46 cents of every dollar? where is that party? >> i think that they are there. they don't have a lot of-- a spokesperson yet. it's going to take some time. so, the thing is, this is the amazing thing....
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could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import because it will determine whether among other things the united states continues to make good on the obligations it has already undertaken. interest and principal on the debt we have borrowed. our credit rating which was so famously downgraded in the summer of 2011 hangs in the balance here. and of course, people on both sides of the aisle are fighting over whether it is fair game to use the debt ceiling as a piece of political leverage to get the government to stop its spending. on the one hand, people on the right say, well, what else are we going to use? we are engaging
could hit the debt ceiling as soon as mid-february. joining me now, host of "power lunch," tyler matheson. good to see you again. >> hi, tamron. >> we have the threat of our credit rating being downgraded here as wall street keeps an eye just like people at home what's happening in d.c. with the latest battle. >> this is really the biggy. compared with the fiscal cliff which was by all accounts a roughly familiar tax and spending debate, this one has far more import...
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ceiling after he's already said it's unpatriotic to exceed the debt ceiling in 2007-2008. he's in a very, very tough place. i think the republicans in the house in congress will give him a hard time, won't make it an easy checkbook. they'll ask for something in return, not sure what it's going to be. they'll probably get it, some negotiation, but, again, we already exceed the debt ceiling. $16.4 trillion tim geithner, fudges numbers around, pay the bills until congress signs the increase in debt ceiling. >> a repeat of the fiscal cliff? >> that's what politics is in dc. this is all games, all threats, all the clock is ticking down. makes you worry if the country's going to default. >> eric, here's the thing -- >> at the end of the day, sorry -- >> yeah. at the enof the day, there's a deal. >> yeah, this is like the debt ceiling is a phony argument. it's really about charter renewal. it's a renewal of a charter do continue spending, and what time and again the american people have been misled on the debt ceiling, what we are talking about you can't default. the government c
ceiling after he's already said it's unpatriotic to exceed the debt ceiling in 2007-2008. he's in a very, very tough place. i think the republicans in the house in congress will give him a hard time, won't make it an easy checkbook. they'll ask for something in return, not sure what it's going to be. they'll probably get it, some negotiation, but, again, we already exceed the debt ceiling. $16.4 trillion tim geithner, fudges numbers around, pay the bills until congress signs the increase in...
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this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk about hear here now but 836 people now since the newtown tragedy has died. that's almost as if we have woken up for 32 days and there was a nu town every single day. >> cenk: every time we update it i get surprised. oh, my god, it's been that many more and it's insanity. i think a great majority of the american people are on to it. it is a majority, 52% of americans are now more supportive of gun control since newtown. we're making progress, of course it depends on what is in it. >> he has the option and he's talking about using the executive order. here is the presid
this is about doing the debt ceiling about paying the debt. it has nothing to do with the sequester. he didn't talk about them together. he talked about them separately. in fact, that's where the negotiating will happen. he said to congress we'll have to figure out a way not to increase deficit. it will have to come with spending cuts. >> cenk: more austerity, i wouldn't do any more of it. but he also talked about guns. >> he was asked about guns. i think what we'll hear him talk...
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you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save the next election. if your conservative philosophy is indeed right, winning will come. joining me now, robert costa, and dave weigel, both of them doing great reporting, i appreciate you being here. robert, i want to start with you, tell me the thinking behind the three-month extension, why three months? >> a lot of it has to do public relations, i think what i heard from the retreat, and members in the room, they want to start to win the pr battle again, to do it they have to take the debt limit off the table, and fight with spending in regard to th
you have to get every dollar for debt ceiling increases. they say the debt ceiling, they know it doesn't give them real leverage but gives them an opportunity to give real messaging. they wouldn't provide a show-down where they say not raising it. they come to terms with having lost the election. charles krauthammer wrote today, the general rule is from the single house of congress, you can't impose, aren't you failing the country? the country chose obama, if you want to save the republic, save...
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president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three months. in a statement the white house responding, saying, we are encouraged. there are signs congressional republicans may back off their insistence on holding our economy hostage to extract drastic cuts in medicare, education and programs middle class families depend on. the temporary nature of the increase is somewhat troubling. a white house official told nbc news it's a terrible way to run the country. but the aide gave no indication president obama would veto a temporary extension if this is how congressional republicans want to govern, so be it. they already have an approval rat
president obama warned republicans about taking the debt ceiling hostage. it looks like they heard the message. >> the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is rung short. >> republicans made their choice during a gop retreat in williamsburg, virginia. house majority leader eric cantore reportedly has plans for three...
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to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless with the debt. the real default has come from his lack of leadership on deficits and debts. the federal deficit has been over a trillion dollars all four years he's been president of the united states. he's done absolutely nothing to curb the costs of these programs that will, according to democra democrats -- >> hmm. >> bankrupt us. what has harry reid rand democrats done in the senate? absolutely nothing. how many days since they passed a budget? >> 1,357. >> 1,357 days since democrats have passed a budget in the united states senate. >> let's talk about that lack of leadership so many people have criticized the presi
to reduce the debt ceiling, we talked to businesses outside of new york, if we don't raise the debt ceiling, it's a potential, reality for wrecking -- >> that's the wrong time. >> the debt ceiling is the wrong time to do it. >> saying you can't do it with the debt ceiling, can't do it with the fiscal cliff, can't do it shutting down the government. all i'm talking about, the president of the united states has absolutely no is in no position to talk about who's being reckless...
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susan collins believes the debt ceiling must be raised. we have seen how the debt ceiling can be raised without a battle. the first read today, this is an interesting development that perhaps will expedite this debt ceiling battle. >> we have a lot more twists and turns to come in the battle. one of the best predictors of whether one side will win or lose and how unify and united that side is. we are seeing fizzures among republicans and conservative writers as well as gop interest groups who are saying we shouldn't pick a fight when it comes to the debt ceiling. maybe it's better to pick a fight over shutting the government down rather than risking the default of the government when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. this is a significant development. it shows a lot of people thought we were looking ahead to the debt ceiling and the republicans had a lot more leverage. that can call it into question. >> that are sounds like the president describes. i use the word lurching to the next crisis ahead. it was the fiscal cliff and then it wa
susan collins believes the debt ceiling must be raised. we have seen how the debt ceiling can be raised without a battle. the first read today, this is an interesting development that perhaps will expedite this debt ceiling battle. >> we have a lot more twists and turns to come in the battle. one of the best predictors of whether one side will win or lose and how unify and united that side is. we are seeing fizzures among republicans and conservative writers as well as gop interest groups...
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they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid
they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the...
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. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john, we've seen speaker boehner's power getting weaker and weaker. is paul ryan now the de facto head of the gop? >> well, you know, actually, martin, i think he has been much more influential than people realize -- >> because he's been quite quiet publicly. >> going back to 2011. he has so much respect within that republican caucus. he's the guy who killed simpson/bowl simpson/bowles. he was on the simpson/bowles commission and wasn't willing to have any revenue increases. his fingerprints were not on it. and then when it came to the grand bargain, he told john boehner wait until the election. don't do this deal.
. >>> just a few hours ago paul ryan claimed to have the solution to our debt ceiling impasse. he calls it a short-term debt limit extension. you may know it better as kicking the can down the road. which reminds me, there was someone just a few months ago who was famously against that kind of a deal. who was it? >> kick the can. kick the can. kick the can. >> right, of course. that's who it was. joining us is jonathan alter and jared bernstein. welcome to you both. john,...
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what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount of leverage and interconnected with everything else and sort of see what happened in 2008. it's also this issue of, you know, who gets paid? if you start to have to say maybe soldiers get paid but not paying for the fuel or these doctors will get paid, you know, government is a huge force in our economy. like it or not. and the number of companies that would really be affected from walmart to every defense contractor to giant health care companies, if their ability to collect money that is owed to them is then put in doubt, that triggers a whole, you know, range of activities of ot
what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? >> well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn't when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there's any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount...
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ceiling. >> we've always raised the debt ceiling. we should pay our bills as the president said, we're not a dead-bet country. i'm glad they finally saw the light. we need to pay our bills and move forward. there is a stronghold of 75 republican tea party members who quite frankly do listen to the tea party in many ways, and hopefully this is a signal that they too need to understand that this should not be an issue. it should not be held honestly. hostage. we should raise the debt ceiling. that's an automatic. we should move forward and talk about how we create jobs. by creating jobs we reduce the deficit. >> jennifer: i'm take taking it as an encouraging sign that the tea party can be moved by public voices. if they can be moved on the debt ceiling of all things, maybe they could be moved on guns. you wrote in the "huffington post," advocating reducing defense spending so you can spend more money and invest in the united states. the question is in the negotiations in congress over the spending do you see that happening? >> we've go
ceiling. >> we've always raised the debt ceiling. we should pay our bills as the president said, we're not a dead-bet country. i'm glad they finally saw the light. we need to pay our bills and move forward. there is a stronghold of 75 republican tea party members who quite frankly do listen to the tea party in many ways, and hopefully this is a signal that they too need to understand that this should not be an issue. it should not be held honestly. hostage. we should raise the debt...
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the republicans blinking and suggesting i want to fight this debt ceiling on this debt ceiling front, which would be good. they are going to keep us going every three months. we never get around to talking about the larger economic question. >> i don't want to have that conversation in the context of the three-month debt ceiling deals. if we are going talk entitlements, is there room to push on the entitlements and suggest a larger social safety net, things like providing opportunities for poor children beginning to close the wealth gap is a priority. >> raise the health care law. i think it's very important to remember that law isn't fully operational, yet. there is -- yes, exactly. there's an enormous amount of work to do. there's a lot of resistance in the states. that's going to be a struggle. >> one piece of that is in 1997 we did a balanced budget deal. one thing that happened when that period of republicans and democrats came together was step back and as part of consolidating the budget, they shift resources. that was the deal. it was a deficit reduction deal. one thing it cre
the republicans blinking and suggesting i want to fight this debt ceiling on this debt ceiling front, which would be good. they are going to keep us going every three months. we never get around to talking about the larger economic question. >> i don't want to have that conversation in the context of the three-month debt ceiling deals. if we are going talk entitlements, is there room to push on the entitlements and suggest a larger social safety net, things like providing opportunities...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to tax and spend to the congress, and the congress alone. our current deficit is the result of money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people today how republicans in congress are trying to avoid doing their actual jobs. >> these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficits, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they've already racked up. >> if the american people do not catch on to the severity of all of this, of defaulting on our debts, the cou
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to tax and spend to the congress, and the congress alone. our current deficit is the result of money...
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ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska broke ranks. she gave an interview to her hometown newspaper in alaska, she says she disagrees threatening the country with default. quote, murkowski is breaking rank, saying the country has a duty to assure it pays its bills. murkowski said not all of her colleagues in the senate will say it out loud, but she believes most agree that failing to raise the debt limit would harm perception of the country. quote, if you incur an obligation, you have a responsibility to pay for that, murkowski said. time is goin
ceiling thing. in 2011, there was not a single republican in congress in the house or in the senate who broke ranks publicly and said actually, purposefully driving the american economy into a ditch to make a point that even we don't understand and that is against the constitution, that might not be a great idea. nobody broke ranks when the republicans did this in 2011. nobody on the republican side. but today on the republican side somebody did. today republican senator lisa murkowski of...
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he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff. it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's
he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of...
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translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has already passed. the laws that it's already passed. republicans are saying it's about borrowing authority. essentially running up the country's credit card. >> exactly. what the republicans are saying is look, we maxed out the credit card. it's time before we extend any new credit or allow any new credit to do something aboutbe the spending that got us here. that would seem on the surface to be a reasonable argument. but so far, the republicans have not been able to win it. and what tends to happen in the fights when you get all of this late hour melodrama as we have had in the last cou
translation, the debt ceiling deal didn't do enough about the debt itself. so keep this in mind when you hear it said,be with great certainty it's the republicans trying to force spending cuts over endangering the nation credit rating. as will rogers quoted once, "it isn'tbe what we don't know that gives us trouble. it's what we know that ain't so." bret? >> bret: the president has effectively turned the messaging around. by saying it's about paying the bills that congress has...
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on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. thanks for being here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> eric cantore said, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are a couple of things to think about here. i call this plan r for run away. but we know that john boehner often has had trouble with his various plans. plan b most notoriously, getting them approved, accepted and passed by his own house republicans. and cantore made a very declarative statement today. there already immediately were grumblings that some house republicans will go along with this i'm not sure that democrats will, too. it remains to be seen whether, indeed, john boehner and cantore can get passed what they want to do. then again this is just a
on the debt ceiling. not again. and today after months of insisting that the president really did have to negotiate with them on that, republicans gave up. david corn "showdown," the stand off the president faced with republicans. thanks for being here. >> good to be here, rachel. >> eric cantore said, yeah, we're going to give up, but only for three months. what did you make of that? >> i'm the last guy who wants to cause a spike in the vix, but, you know, there are...
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there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united states to not pay its bills. they have much better news to fight over spending. they have a continuing resolution that funds government, which comes up at the end of march, and they have this sequester that automatically cuts spending. >> gingrich isn't saying lay down your arms, but he is saying there are better battles ahead. >> he is saying you're going to lose this debt fight because -- he has said previously that the entire global world of finance is going to come into washington the week before the debt ceiling is hit and they're going to
there's this one over the debt ceiling. there's a continuing resolution to actually fund the government. then there's sequestration. yesterday politico reporting that house gop members are gearing up for a fight over the debt ceiling, but now you have people like newt gingrich, choice of reason in the wilderness. let's play the sound. he is advocating for them not to fight over this. >> it's a threat they can't sustain. no one is going to default. no one is going to allow the united...
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ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or magic credit card for the president to go spend whatever he wanted to spend. of course, the united states constitution gives the power to spend to congress. the result is the money congress has already borrowed. president obama explained to the american people in congress how they're trying to do their actual jobs. >> these are bills that are racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to find compromise on how to pay our debts, americans should not be stopped from paying the bills we racked up. >> the country will be in a dire situation. president obama knows t
ceiling. >> now the other imposition is called the debt ceiling. something most americans had not heard of before two years ago. so i want to be clear about this. the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> and of course republicans tried to trick americans into believing the debt ceiling was a blank check or...
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you have the debt ceiling issue. all of those are in the mix right now because they are all coming to a head at the same time. we are going to need to deal with all of them. can't we be responsible? can't we work collaboratively on this? if we can -- hearing from the white house that, you know, you go figure it out. it is not my problem. i didn't have anything to do with this. that's not the way to go. >> let me ask you about your job as the head of the republican campaign committee. will you support all incumbent house republicans no matter what under all circumstances? or -- is your job to eliminate primary opposition? >> you know, i love how you -- you know, we try to talk in absolutes here. we are a member of organization that supports republicans and republican members of the house. here's when we do and we go out and recruit. i think, you know the voters want to check and balance in washington. we are going to offer a positive alternative. great candidates. we now -- second biggest majority since world war ii c
you have the debt ceiling issue. all of those are in the mix right now because they are all coming to a head at the same time. we are going to need to deal with all of them. can't we be responsible? can't we work collaboratively on this? if we can -- hearing from the white house that, you know, you go figure it out. it is not my problem. i didn't have anything to do with this. that's not the way to go. >> let me ask you about your job as the head of the republican campaign committee. will...